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Torgeir Hekard
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Posted - 2014.08.25 15:26:00 -
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Was blood burner changed after the downtime?
It seems to have gained max range on its guns.
Also it seems to be passive tanked now. |
Torgeir Hekard
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:37:00 -
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Yay! Kited the blood one.
Rail DD with spike. MWD and ionic required. Keep at range 35.
1) Web range is 50km. 2) Likes to pulse overheat propmod. Speed jumps between 900 and 1700. My DD had about 1450 speed under webs, so kinda scary, but he goes slower than me on average. 3) The overheat pulse results in 7km distance oscillations when keeping range. Given that he has about 18km scram, spike is the best damage ammo choice between the safe options. 4) The grid is not enough. 250km is such a perfect place to turn around, my love. No, seriously. Dragged him from one end of a 250km bubble to another and had to turn around. Took about 2 minutes to turn. Good thing he doesn't active tank much. 5) Took me 10 minutes and about 600 spikes to plink him to death. |
Torgeir Hekard
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:11:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ynef wrote:I give up. Undoable.
And yet other people are doing just fine.
There are make or break things there.
Like having proper skills for certain assaults or access to faction mods.
I.e. the guri could be SO much easier (right now it's a gamble for me if I can kill him before frying my lows) if I only had a couple of faction hardeners instead of meta4 (because T2 won't fit). Or if I could fly enyo.
Or I assume one can pretty easily kill sansha with a retribution. If one can into retribution. |
Torgeir Hekard
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Posted - 2014.08.26 14:13:00 -
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I believe blood is consistently doable in a hybrid tanked wolf (active+passive).
4 AC200 with RF fusion, web, cap booster with 200s (wolf has less than 400 cap), SAR, adaptive plating, 400mm plate, 2 gyros, T2 thermal rig, T2 ROF rig.
Overheat ACs periodically, overheat cap booster, don't run SAR non-heated. Let it reload - 400 plate will let you last through it.
Web can run through neuts no problem, so only use booster to run reps. You don't need to run it during SAR reload.
Took me 2 SAR loads (with reload recharge between) and then some running without paste to down it. Left with 20% armor. 8 charges, almost full AC mag (therefore use overheat if you don't want to go into AC reload). |
Torgeir Hekard
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:36:00 -
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They don't have EFT-sane stats.
You can't hit out to 30km with antimatter from rail DD for example.
Ewar does not work (except maybe ECM, but there are reports that it's now useless too).
And about lock range. I have checked. Blood burner has about 220-230km lock range. Abandon your hope. |
Torgeir Hekard
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:12:00 -
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Phoenix Czech wrote: It is realy not possible to do this missions solo with one character, so I recomend to everyone do not try it solo, take friends with you. .
It is not possible to do this missions solo with a frankenfrig fit thrown together from mission loot and without any thought put into it.
After extensive testing on SiSi I believe it's possible to solo every burner with a properly fitted AF in a T2/cheap faction fit.
Wolf for blood and sansha, vengenance for angel, hawk or harpy for serpntis, enyo for guri. |
Torgeir Hekard
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:54:00 -
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Cat Akakami wrote: So you basically agree with me that you need a special pirate / AF for each mission with a special fit only useful for that very mission.
Yes. I believe the missions were, for better or worse, specifically tailored for this. In their previous redaction it was kinda possible to do them all in a DD, but apparently it was considered "too easy". Which murdered the variety with a big butcher knife.
Cat Akakami wrote: I highly doubt the T2 fit part, and since when is faction cheap ? Even the cheapest faction mods start around 10mil and reach up to several HUNDRED mil. Remember your flying a 20-30mil AF or 40-100mil pirate hull.
I only can wolf, and I used a meta4/T2 fit for blood and sansha with great success. Seen a video of a veng soloing a dram (I used T2/meta4 DD instead). Assume enyo and harpy (or enyo and enyo) can do the other two. At least pyfa math matches up.
Not all faction is expensive. Faction kinetic hardeners (the stuff that actually matters with burners, because the nasty DPS ones are DD and worm) go for 4-6 mil (really, T2 rigs can be more expensive). Faction kin/therm shield amps are cheap too. And those faction mods are for low CPU requirements, so not necessary if your fit is not low on it or can do with meta4 (rat-specific tanked AFs can). Deadspace adaptive platings are very cheap too (unless ANP).
Cat Akakami wrote: In my first try on the Blood Raider i used a (I believe) considerably well prepared T2 Enyo (price ~45mil, 300 gun dps) with 8ooo EHP (56oo EHP Armor), 79,07% and 81,52% armor resistence against the used weapon and a 165DPS active tank. the result is still floating in space....the 5k EHP Cruor with a 120dps tank (worth ~120mil) suffered the same fate.
You used a wrong tool for the job. It's that simple. A cap hungry AF with a wrong resist profile against a neuting NPC. A shitfit wolf, on the other hand, would eat it for breakfast. But would fail at 3 of 5 buners.
Cat Akakami wrote: I should probably add that I would normally consider both fits to be shitfits. Overtanked frigs without prop mod (not like there is any point in a fight against a guy with ~30km web range and ~20km scram range unless you can consistently engage noticably beyond 30km)
All PvE fits are shitfits.
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Torgeir Hekard
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:57:00 -
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Cat Akakami wrote: my 2nd Enyo died cuz of tank failing, my cap would have lasted forever and longer. Enyo 50% EM, 67.5% Therm... conflagration doing 50/50 EM/Therm. . .where exactly is your "wrong resist profile" ? Esp. seeing how i had ~80/80 resist during the fight. My 300 turret dps should be more then a match for your wolf
92/82 rez on wolf and armor slowly going out. Good thing 400mm plate gives plenty of EHP to chew through. Your 300 turret DPS is kin/therm. Cruor has an EXP hole.
Cat Akakami wrote: and no, i canNOT use any T2 frigs besides gallente.
And I can't use any T2 frigs besides minnie, thus I'm not crying that I can't kill DD and Worm anymore.
Cat Akakami wrote: You obviously didn't bother reading much, but at least you agree on my main point that you basically HAVE to bring 1 out of maybe 1-2 possible frigates and massively overtank them, just to have a chance, assuming you have (almost) perfect skills or just pretend it's pvp and blob them "elite pvp, jita level" style.
I believe that was the point of these missions. That you have to bring proper ships with proper fits. Or lots of faction/boosters/drugs. |
Torgeir Hekard
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:06:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Skir Skor wrote:I suck at this. Can we have the Burner missions back so they are the only mission offered? They are, or were. Has that just changed? Went to SiSi to test some theories about T1 frigs and burner rats. And they gave me a regular mission. Bastards |
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